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  1. 6 points
    @Stefan2k4 Let's just say that I think that you put a little more into their words than necessary ... I honestly believe that they do regret the firing and how it was handled, they are just not so good at wording it. And I totally understand the "cornered animal" thing. It's like being in a "sick" love relationship where you really want it to work but small things are starting to heat up with a lot of tension. Not everyone is good at handling those kind of situations. At one point you are just surrounded by so much stress that you don't know how to handle it any more and do irresponsible actions. I think we all have experienced something similar like this before, we were just not in a public band where the consequences were spilled all over the media. However, this does not mean that I support how they did the firing. I detest it. But I can totally see that it was an action taken by a group of people who had experienced years with high tension between two parties that were supposed to be friends, have fun and have a good working-relationship.
  2. 5 points
    She was kicked out of the band with an open letter. If this is not a reason enough for NOT joining them on stage for whatever reason, I don't know what is.
  3. 5 points
    I will, hold your horses. I'll translate the bits as well if y'all want Edit, Ok, this is the first part. Please excuse any weird spelling, I didn't have alot of time to do this. I'll do the rest after work tomorrow. I don't know how to make spoilers any more, oh well, here it is. Tom Englund and Hannes van Dahl are hosts of this show. They discuss various things in the beginning, and an encounter with Lemmy. Tom: Du, idag har vi celebert besök i studion (Today we have distinguished visitor here in the studio) Hannes: Mm, verkligen (Yes indeed) T: Mer snygg än dej (More attractive than you) H: ah absolut (yeah absolutely) T: Det är ju i förvisso inte skitsvårt (which, not so hard to be though) H: Nej (no) T: Om hon är snyggare än mej, det vet jag inte riktigt, men (wether she's hotter than me, I'm not quite sure, but) H: Min snyggare 70% (my better 70%) T: Mm H: Mm T: Det är 70/50 (It is 70/50) H: 60/40 T: "60/40" men det är ju ändå jämn siffra Matti Nikkanen eller, 60 /50 (60/40 but that's still an even number Matti Nikkanen, 60/50 H: sixty fifty T: Vad sa han egentligen, Matti Nikkanen, finsk backhoppare som då la ihop 1 och 1 och fick ihop det till.. (what did he say, really, Matti Nikkanen, Finnish ski jumper who then added one plus one and made it...) H: So Matty, what are your chances of winning the olympics? -Well I would say 50/60 Om ni inte vet vem Matti Nikkanen är så är det då världens mest medaljerade backhoppare genom tiderna, en finsk- (If you don't know who Matti Nikkanen is, that is the world's most medaled ski jumper through the ages, a Finnish-) T: Vi har snackat om det här, det vet du va? (We have talked baout this, you are aware, right?) H: Ah, men de (Yeah, but it) T: Jag tror att du har demens (I believe you have dementia) H: Ah det tror jag också. Men här kommer det igen (Yes I believe so also. Though here it comes again) T: Det är schysst. Vi skiter i dig ock kör clutch smack (Sweet, we ignore you and play a song) T: Oh, mäktig jävla början (oh powerful fucking start) H den är grym (it's great) T: Jag trodde att det skulle smälla till (I thight it would go bang) H: Men det smäller sen (but it does, later) T: Närdå (when) H: Tålamod (patience) T: Men det har ju hållt på hur länge som helst (but it's been going on forever) H: Nu kommer det Thomas (now it comes, Thomas) T: Men det är som att han testar gitarren (but it's like he's testing his guitar) H: ett två te fyr fem (one two three four... five) T: Tyst! (Shh!) Clutch – Electric Worry T: Det där är Peter Ivers favoritband Nej! Anders Ivers – herregud hur kunde man ta så fel. Dom är ju trots allt bröder. Bröthers. På franska heter den här låten electrique veri (that is Peter Iver's favourite band. No! Anders Iver's - lord, how could I be so wrong. They are after all brothers. In french, the name of this song is electrique verí H: Mhm och på tyska heter den (hm. And in German it's-) T: ze electriks verry T: nu får du gå ut härifrån för nu ska jag prata med din fru. (now you have to get out because now I will speak with your wife) H: Okej. Då går jag nu (okay then I'm leaving now) T: Floor! H: för er som, nu blir det lite, kanske lite blandat språk här men, ja håll till godo (Now there might be a bit of mixed languages here, but yeah, enjoy) T: Varrå, vad menar du med det? (well what do you mean by that) H :Jag tror att du, ni får hålla det här på engelska (I think you'll be doing this in English) T: ah det är klart (oh of course) H: Är väl helt klart (Naturally isn't it) T: Men hon är ju bra på svenska (but she's good at Swedish) H: Jättebra (Very good) T: ska testa och pusha henne (I'll test, push her a bit) H: Testa lite (a bit) T: I am he she it is you are they are we are you are H: fast på svenska (but in Swedish) T: jaha jävlar det är på engelska det (Ah fuck that is English that is) H: Han hon att det (he she that it) T: Men ska vi spela en låt medans hon kommer in eller? Ah det gör vi (but shall we play a song while she enters? Let's) H: det gör vi (let's) T: Du det här är Nightwish och från senaste plattan som heter, Hannes? Det ska du kunna, fan om du inte kan det här (you, this is Nightwish and from the latest recaord named – Hannes? You should know this, damn, if you do not know this...) H: endless forms most beautiful T: oh gud vad nära det var att du plumpa! Och låten heter - (oh god how close it was that you failed! And the name of the song is - ) H: Elan. Varsågoda. (Elan. Enjoy) Nightwish - Elan T: Nu jävlar har vi fint besök i studion. Bredvid mig sitter Hannes fru, och den eminenta sångerskan Floor Jansen från Nightwish. Läget? (Now we have a really damn fine visit in the studio. Beside me sits Hanne's wife, the eminent singer Floor Jansen of Nightwish. How do you do? Floor: Aa, läget, tack (How do you do, thank you) T: Floor, du bor ju i sverige nu (Floor, you live in Sweden now) F: Ja (yes) T: Med din familj (with your family) F: Ja det gör jag (yes I do) T: Och pratar svenska (and speak Swedish) F: Lite (a little) T: Mycket tycker jag. (A lot, I think) F: Ja, tack så mycket , jag låter som jag kommer från Danmark ibland (Thank you very much, I sound as if I'm from Denmark at times) T: Du låter som du kommer från Holland ibland också (you sound like you're from Holland at times too) F: Ja (Yes) T: Men du är väldigt bra på svenska tycker jag (but you're very good at Swedish in my opinion) F: Tack så mycket. (thank you) T: Hur mår du? (How are you feeling?) F: Ja bra tack, jag är mammaledig (good thank you, I'm on maternity leave) T: Mammaledig, ja (maternity leave) F: Ja T: Hur är det att vara mamma, först och främst? (Firstly, how is it being a mother?) F: Fantastiskt, det är bäst i livet. Ja, Nightwish och Freja! (Fantastic, it's the best thing in life. Yeah, Nightwish and Freja!) T: Då har du två bra saker i livet (then you have two good things in life) F: och min familj måste jag säga (and my family I have to say) T: Och Hannes (and Hannes) F : ja han med, ja lite, han är nummer tre, nej (yes him too, yes a bit, he's number three... no!) T: "Nummer 33 på listan – Hannes" ("Number 33 on the list: Hannes") F Min älskling (My darling) T: Ja. T: Men nu har du varit ledig väldigt länge (but you have been having time off for a very long time now) F: Ja det har jag, vi hade vår sista show förra året i Oktober, det är länge sen. Så det känndes som hm, det är skönt att va hemma, men nu är det kanske dag för att åka och göra någonting, lite mer än byta blöja och prata i nederlands-svenskt baby- (yes I have, we had our last show last year in October, that's long ago. So it felt like, it feels good to be home, but now maybe it's time to go and do something, a bit more than changing diapers and talk dutch-swedish baby-) T: Baby talk, yeah? Ja precis. Och när som helt under denna intervjun, we might switch to english. Because that's how we talk when we talk among each other. (Baby talk, yeah? Yes, exactly. And whenever during htis interview, we might switch to English. - ||-) F: Yeah, precis. (exactly) T: Så det går från svenska till engelska och då får ni hänga med bara. Aja, men du längtar efter att åka på turne igen antar jag. (so we'll swtich from Swedish to English and you'll just have to follow. But you long to go on tour again I presume) F: Ja. Det är lite.. Det är väldigt skönt att vara hemma, och jag tror det är väldigt lyx att ha så mycket tid. I nederländerna har vi det ju inte. (Yes, it's nice to be home, it's a luxyry, I believe, to have so much time. In the Netherlands we don't have that.) T: Nä just det (no that's right) F: det är bara tre månader för en nederlands mamma, så det är lyx här i sverige, och lyx för mig med hur det är med Nightwish, med ett helt år ledigt. Men, ja, det känns som, jag älskar min musik, jag älskar att sjunga och gå på turne, så det är lite... det är bara dags för att ha det lite båda (it's just three months for a dutch mother, so it's a luxury here in Sewden, and a luxury for me with how it is with Nightwish, with a whole year off. But yeah, it feels like, I love my music, I love singing and being on tour, so it's a bit... it's time now to do both.) T: Ja, jag tror också det. Men det är klart att det är två passioner som man – nu har du en ny passion i livet med barnet, med Freja, och den andra karriären får stå lite åt sidan en liten stund. Men vad har ni på gång med Nightwish, vad tänker ni göra, ni ska på turne nästa år va? (yes I think so too. But of course it is two passions that you – now you have a new passion in life with the child, with Freja, and th other career has to stand aside for a while. But what have you got going on with Nightwish? What are you going to do, you are going on tour next year, right?) F:Nästa år, ja, så det blir vi har planerat en väldsturne som heter Decades Tour, som vi ska spela många låtar från första skivan. Vi ska spela musik ifrån alla skivor vi har. Så it's entire Nightwish history. (next year, yeah, so we have planned a world tour called Decades Tour, and we'll be playing many songs from the first record. We'll be playing from all our records. So it's entire -||-) T: And how many albums have you been participating on F: Bara en. (just one) T: Just one. Bara en så länge. (just one. This far) F: Ja T: Hur blir det för dig. Att göra de gamla låtarna då? (what will it be like for you, doing the old songs then?) F: Det är spännande, för det är också mycket som första, the first singer did, so the real old stuff. It's the entire history, so everything from the Tarja "days" as people would say, and the Anette days. So the whole history. And that's - det är spännande - I'll switch back! (it's exciting, it's a lot that the first singer did, -||-) T: Its fine! F: And it's – Yay! (one "dong! (ringing noice)" Not sure what that's about, I'm thinking it might be something like a timer, that she was gonna try to speak swedish för the first say 10 minutes or so - Eilenna) R: I want to – I want to make it sound like Nightwish, but like Nightwish sounds with me. T: Of course. F: So to make my own interperattion of the songs once again will be a a great challenge, but I'm really really loking forward to get y hand on the –really- old stuff and T: Are there songs that you haven't sang before? F: Oh yeah, absolut. (absolutely) T: wow. So you've got a lot of work ahead. F: ah yeah! Jag började med att plugga hemma. (I have started studying at home) T: Det är bra! Så när åker ni på turne då? (that's good, so when do yo go on thour then) F: Vi börjar i mars nästa år, så vi ska repa lite i Januari, Februari, och.. (we start March next year, so we'll rehearse a bit in Jan, feb, and...) T: Lite bara (Just a little) F: Ja! Några veckor här och där. Ah, så vi börjar nästa år och sen börjar vi i USA (Yes, a few weeks here and there. So we stard next year and then we begin in USA) T: Okej F: I sex veckor, lång turne i North Amerika, och sen kommer vi tillbaks här i Europa för festivaler, och sen ska vi se, v har många schower som är panerade som vi har inte,… that we haven't anounced yet. So. (For six weeks, long tour in North America, and then we'll be back here in Europé to play fetsivals, and then we'll see, we have many shows that are planned that we haven't announced yet.) T: Ah det förstår jag. ( I understand) F: there's a lot coming. T: cool. Men nu har du valt en låt! (Awesome. But now you've picked a song!) F:Ja det har jag! Jag tycker, kanske det är kul att lyssna på musik, så jag började med att lyssna på när jag – when I finally discovered metal, I wasn't really into any female vocal stuff, cos to be honest there wanst much, back in the days (Yes I have! It would be nive to play something from when I started listening to metal, -||- T: back in the days. We're young as you can hear! F: but Pantera, was one of the bands that really got me into metal, so I thought that maybe , yeah, go back into, into those days and listen to Pantera with "Walk" Pantera - Walk
  4. 5 points
    Where was he glorifying religion? EFMB? Ark meaning just a lonely vessel filled with living species, in the midst of nothingness. That's what's called using references from a religious book. He was feeding metaphors from it, not the actual dogmatic content. And please, this aggressive and confrontational attitude of yours makes it really difficult to discuss anything with you. Nobody was shoving anything down your throat, nobody was banning you from saying anything here, nobody was calling your opinion incompetent, but you keep doing pretty much same things to others. Speaking of planet_terror, I don't find any of this aggressiveness in his posts, so no, I don't have problem with people who interpret NW songs differently than me. This whole waving with one's qualifications and competence (and all of that on an anonymous internet forum, where I can say I'm Tarja, and you wouldn't really have a proof that I really weren't) is ludicrous. Tuomas is a musician and songwriter. As far as I know, you are not. That makes him way more competent than you in that regard. Does that mean that you shouldn't write about something you don't know about (music, lyrics, art)? Because, you know, who are you to judge a professional and experienced songwriter's work? Who are we? Let's close this forum altogether then, or just let people with MA in composition participate in discussions. I don't know why snowhite left, but I cannot remember her behaving like you are right now. Ever. But again, I might be wrong.
  5. 4 points
    I liked Dead to me, Anette really is firing all cilinders with this project, she sounds better than ever. I hope she finds success, it was sad when she started acting like a "has been" with those low budget videos and kitchen karaokes. Seeing her again as a power front woman is recomforting. The album sounds really good so far.
  6. 4 points
    Stefan, you do realise Tuomas is no bel hooks, so feel free to write his name with a capital T. Hell, even Marcelo did that.
  7. 4 points
    What the letter meant by "cultural differences" is exactly that. Finnish people have a different way of doing things and a different way to view the world than Latin american People. I'll give you an example: whereas here in my country it is perfectly fine to take a nap in the afternoon, in many other countries it is seen as a sign of laziness. I am latin american and even I did not find anything racist on that statement. The band just meant that they had different ways of doing things than the way Marcelo did things and his way simply did not fit with the band. Period. There's nothing racist in that comment. Of course there are cultural differences. I'm gonna give you another example: Whereas in the USA serving in the army is considered an honor, here in Mexico it is considered lowly. Here, it's mostly seen as a job you apply for when all other opportunities failed. So, there you go, cultural differences exist and there's nothing wrong or racist with that.
  8. 4 points
    I'm sorry to interrupt you, guys, but it is obvious to me quite a few people there cannot call themselves non-biased towards one or another party and not to put their thoughts as, you know, universal truth rather than personal feelings on the matter. You can clearly see people have already taken sides and simply cannot get past towards their established feelings. Their arguments and non willingliness to take opponent's opinion into account, even the way some write the name of the band or bandmembers (mistakes, small letters, etc), it says a lot. I guess maybe it is time to throw that hatred towards anyone aside and leave the matter. It's been 12 years, really... Besides, there's a new Tarja record coming, isn't it worth more attention? Rather than some old and heavily chewed dismissal thing...
  9. 4 points
    I think I am not making myself clear here. The problem is firstly that it is about Tarja and that it was written and marketed as being about Tarja. Even if it were "o Tarja thou art beautiful" on a pad of Baroque strings, I consider the listener willing to participate in a song that is about a specific celebrity mildly insane and whoever is writing and marketing such a song to be a bit of an opportunistic manipulator. The song itself is also highly confrontational in tone, which makes matters worse - and yes, "Bye Bye Beautiful" is something disrespectful to say to a lady. But really. Personal songs about famous people? Writing your own fanfiction? Wrong. Also not metal.
  10. 4 points
    Oh, come on, this whole "cornered animal" argument is ridiculous. If you really could not bear that woman in your band anymore, invite her to a meeting, sack her from the band in her face right there and then, don't plot about it for months in a row, doing shows and pretending to the media and fans that all is pefect. Or just strike a deal with her that she finishes the tour, and then she's out. Or if you are that socially unaccustomed to have a proper conversation about your very work with your very colleagues, you know, suicide or recluse to a monastery is always an option. So yeah, they did have plenty of options other than wait for 8 months and then publish a mud-slinging letter on the internet.
  11. 4 points
    I don´t believe in any conspiracy theory in kicking out Tarja Turunen ja Marcelo Cabuli from Nightwish. The band had experienced some worse and better phases before, but since late 2004 the atmosphere had been deteriorating. The band and management were divided into two camps, and there was a struggle of power between the camps. Tarja and Marcelo belonged to one camp and the four guys and their managers to the other camp, and these camps did not share the same goal and constantly disagreed in various issues. In February 2005 the band mates learned that Tarja Turunen will not tour in the US in spring or later in 2005. Instead, she will participate in the making of her brother´s album in May 2005. This decision was harmful to Nightwish; they could not promote Once album properly in the US and their US record company suspended their contract. Tarja Turunen´s denial to tour in the US was the last straw which broke the camel´s back, and the band mates decided to fire Tarja and get rid of Marcelo Cabuli. Naturally, they kept this decision secret in order to secure the tour, not due to conspiracy. If they had informed Tarja and Marcelo about the decision, the following options would have been possible: A. The parties agree to take separate ways after the tour and the rest of the tour goes smoothly. B. The atmosphere gets from bad to worse and they have great difficulties to finish the tour. C. Tarja Turunen quits with one day´s notice. D. Tarja Turunen threatens to quit immediately unless the guys promise not to fire her after the tour. Option A was highly unlikely. It was Tuomas Holopainen´s understanding that Tarja Turunen had threatened in a row that she can leave Nightwish with one day´s notice (we don´t know for sure whether he was right or wrong). Anyway, the band mates had all the reasons to fear the options B, C and D and keep quiet about the upcoming firing. According to the second part of the conspiracy theory the Nightwish guys would have calculated that by firing Tarja Turunen openly they could have been able to boost the popularity of Nightwish and promote album and gig sales. This claim is just ridiculous and against common sense. Popularity and recognizability are not synonyms. Tarja Turunen´s dismissal certainly increased Nightwish´s recognizability but not necessarily its popularity, because: Change in popularity depends on positive reputation minus negative reputation and may also be negative. Nightwish got a lot of negative reputation due to Tarja Turunen´s dismissal. I cannot believe the Nightwish guys had been so foolish to imagine that they can boost the band´s popularity by firing a very popular front woman. In addition, the Nightwish guys obviously prepared for a considerable loss of the fan base by spending more money than ever in advertisement by making three music videos, viz. Amaranth, Bye Bye Beautiful and The Islander.
  12. 4 points
    Okay, it's time for my Nightwish confession and/or a rant. Since you're very much on a similar thought as me. I came to this forum to discuss symphonic metal in general, my favourite band being Therion if anyone who's chatted with me hasn't figured that out yet. It seemed to me be the most active place to do so. I was familiar with Nightwish but for the most part not a listener. I'd listened good and hard to Oceanborn since I was under the impression it's their 'essential' album but it didn't really do much for me, other than my appreciating its dreamlike atmosphere (sorry). Of course reading the words of so many fans convinced me to keep looking deeper into the band... I listened to Elan and my spine, it did produce the tingles that signal you've just found something great. I listened to Endless Forms as well and again had the same positive reaction. It's beautiful music with a great message. So I started really digging into the band, and I have to say, sorry purists, but I like them best from Century Child and after. In fact I really don't care for Tarja, she is to me completely unremarkable other than the fact that she was Nightwish's original vocalist. But I am definitely, definitely a fan of the band now. I can't wait for them to play here in March! With a lot of bands longtime fans will dislike newer material by them. Sometimes it's because the newer material can come off as a retread of what the band did earlier. That is the case with Nightwish. The thing is when a band does the retread, they could do it more capably than the first time. So if you don't have the historical point of view, the new stuff can come off as a superior product. While listening to older stuff, after listening to the newest stuff, I might hear the root of something they repeated later. But I tend to like it when they tried it again later with more experience points. Endless Forms Most Beautiful? More like Endless Iterations of a Formula Most Beautiful. You have an epic folksy intro melody, then a verse, then a fantastic chorus, then a revisit of the intro motif, etc. They do it for maybe half the songs on the newest album and they've done it plenty of times on albums recently before but I don't mind a bit. Because it's a good formula and they nail it to such euphoric results. 'I Want My Tears Back' for instance is probably my favourite Nightwish song. By the time the chorus comes my tear ducts are straining from the emotional response. Alpenglow as well, just damn. So there's my confession.
  13. 4 points
    Elan is gold compared to Amaranth. Re the new video, this song is much weaker than the first one.
  14. 4 points
    You are speaking as if what happened between the band and Sami was in the same level as with Anette. No. Not even close. Sami and the band could put aside their deifferecnes because in the end, Sami was never too interested in the band, not even when he was there, and the band wasn't too keen on him. They never insulted each other, they never made a spectacle out of that, and in the end it was the best for both parties, since Nighgtwish not only got a (much better) bass player but also a singer. It was never on the same level as with the two previous singers. If the band are on speaking terms with Sami again and if he even got up on the stage and played a song with them, it was because even though at the time there were egos and feelings hurt, it wasn't such a deal. So, no, what happened with Sami is not even on the same level as what happened with Anette or Tarja. So, no, that is not gonna happen neither on this tour, the next one or in ten years.
  15. 4 points
    It seems to me you didn't quite grasp the meaning of this verse. The cosmic law of gravity Pulled the newborns around a fire (The “newborns” are the planets. Gravity pulled them around the Sun) A careless, cold infinity in every vast direction (It's not talking about Gaea, it's talking about the universe) Lonely farer in the Goldilocks zone (The Goldilocks zone has a lot to do because this verse is not about humans gathering around a fire. The “lonely farer” is the Earth, simple as that) She has a tale to tell (“She” is our planet. The Earth has a tale to tell, “the greatest show on Earth”) From the stellar nursery into a carbon feast Enter LUCA The tapestry of chemistry There’s a writing in the garden Leading us to the Mother of all (not the pristine Gaea, but LUCA. The writing in the garden leads us to the last universal common ancestor) My two cents.
  16. 3 points
    The Nightwish guys knew something specific which can be connected with the sentence “Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination” (Nightwish Open letter). Marcelo Cabuli and Tarja Turunen signed a managerial contract, the details of which became known to Spinefarm and Nightwish. According to the contract: 1. Tarja Turunen was no longer able to sign any agreement alone but they had to be signed by both her and Marcelo Cabuli to be valid. 2. Tarja Turunen´s earnings from records and gigs were payed to Marcelo Cabuli´s company NEMS Enterprises in Argentina. 3. Tarja Turunen became an employee of NEMS Enterprises and this company paid her salary and stage outfits. There were strange features in this contract, like Tarja Turunen with normal mental faculties cannot sign alone her own contracts, needs to siphon her earnings to her husband´s company without even being a co-owner of that company and becomes an employee of her husband even if in reality the husband is her employee or consultant. The Nightwish guys and Spinefarm´s lawyer regarded the contract as unfair and irrational and suspected that Marcelo Cabuli had brain-washed loving Tarja. As Tarja Turunen is still married with Marcelo Cabuli, she must have been satisfied with the financial arrangements (or changed them). I don´t know how common or rare it is in Argentina that a husband takes complete control of his wife´s earnings and businesses, but in Finland it would be extremely rare, especially in cases when the wife earns the money. The name of Marcelo Cabuli´s record and managerial company may also reflect a cultural difference and tell something of his person. He named it bravely NEMS Enterprises by copying the name of Brian Epstein´s company. The original Brian Epstein´s NEMS Enterprises provided the legendary Beatles band with managerial services. No company in Finland would copy a previous, world-famous name, since if it did, Finns would suspect the owner to be a megalomaniac who behaves in an illegal or at least improper way. As far as I know Marcelo Cabuli had no problems in Argentina regarding the company name, and it looks like Argentines are more flexible in these kind of matters.
  17. 3 points
    Suddenly Tarja decides to sing about science? What a coincidence!
  18. 3 points
    I won't pretend to be the know-it-all kind of person, first of all. Then, I'd say that judging from the biography book and Marco's words (and also that Tarja later didn't deny any of those claims related to tours, smth that, as nw said, they could prove by letters and documents etc), in the end when the whole question of what to do and how to continue with the band, they felt like Tarja and Marcelo were both trying to sink the band by their deeds like shows cancellations (infamous tour legs in USA which costed NW a records deal with label and promotion in USA with their then most successful album) or those claims regarding higher salary (which once again costed NW a tour leg with Iron Maiden > thus a chance to expand the audience and sell more etc). It felt like if those deeds were to be successful and nw disbanded, fans would have one and only Tarja aka, in the eyes of many, the main success factor of NW, with her glorious solo career and no band stealing the attention. So, the band felt like they were just a career springboard for Tarja. And from human point of view I totally understand that 'cornered animal' thing and, to some point, that letter, which was the coin NW felt they had to pay Tarja in response to her attitude towards her bandmember responsibilities, tour cancellations & whole 'I can leave the band at any time [you idiots, you aren't worth a damn without me] thing. That was nasty, childish (like, "no, she did it first, so we had to respond!" and no pro, but, I believe, both parties have done their share of crap back then.
  19. 3 points
    I do side-eye this idea that it was the only way they came up with. Even allowing for the fact that they wanted to finish the tour before firing Tarja, they could still have done so privately - face to face after the show, calling her the next day, even giving her a letter that didn't get posted on the internet- or more professionally - gather all parties and management together and hash out some sort of joint statement, post something more vague and generic online, or even an open letter that was a little more even handed and less ... personal. These were all options, they might have required awkward conversations but they were pretty obvious options that didn't involve slinging mud at the character of their colleague of 9 years and her husband in public. They made a choice. Whether that's down to a calculated business decision to increase publicity, spite in the heat of the moment or just a case of monumental dumbass, nobody knows but the people involved. This whole "cornered animals" answer and variants thereof doesn't do them any favours, nor does "The open letter was a bad idea because we got bad publicity too". Not to say I think Tuomas should be publicly flagellating himself at Tarja's door or anything, there was obviously issues on all sides. I can understand defending the band on the decision to fire Tarja, I have yet to hear any compelling reason to defend the way they chose to do it, and the idea that it was the only choice is laughable. Probably the fact that both their managements are kind of bound up in the whole awkwardness too? Tarja obviously had issues with the Nightwish management, and that the guys had an issue with Marcelo was pretty clearly flagged up by the open letter and MPG. There isn't that professionally detached layer to act as a neutral party/ go between/ organising force. That alone probably makes it more complicated as a situation. RJ, from what I know, is a group project comprising of several Finnish artists - Tarja probably knows a few of them - one of whom is Marco. It's "neutral ground", I guess, for lack of a better term. I'm sure that if there's a will from both parties to work together again that they will work around the awkwardness or figure something out. Not sure if you're referring to Marco's interview specifically, or Tarja appearing in RJ shows, but I think there are certainly benefits for her in appearing in the show? I mean, she's producing a dark Xmas album, this is a series of dark/ heavy metal Xmas concerts, it's a chance for her to hype her album and sing Xmas songs (which she clearly enjoys). Plus, a bonus for her fans from her Nightwish era, of which there are many, to see her and Marco perform together again. Points for the Keeping Up Appearances reference though - that's an image I'm going to struggle to lose. And on that note, some_dude, I was really hoping that was Young Frankenstein when I saw the links, you did not disappoint XD Nightwish drama aside, it'll be interesting to hear Marco and Tarja singing together on a softer song. On the Nightwish albums they both appeared on Marco was still predominantly using his aggressive vocals, so it'll be interesting to hear how their voices sound together on the other end of the scale. Or perhaps it'll just be a heavy version of Ave Maria. And on that note: another Ave Maria??? Come on Tarja, you clearly know other songs, why not vary it up a bit? I enjoyed "O Come, O Come Emmanuel" - it's still not quite Loreena McKennit but Tarja sounds good, the song works well with the "dark" sound and the scorelike elements and her look in the video is ridiculously over the top enough to be amusing. I'm not sure how well a dark version of "Deck the Halls" and such will work by comparison, but the first indications are promising. Just shirts? I'm aiming high and hoping for full themed outfits
  20. 3 points
    Oh, please. Tuomas did say that he regrets the way they fired her, but at that time, in that situation, it was the only way they came up with. However, I do not believe they regret firing her, it was the only way for the band to keep on going. So, they have all, or at least some of them, matured and taken some responsibility over their actions. I'm happy that Marco and Tarja can once again share the same stage, but at the same time I'm very glad I did not purchase a ticket for the show I intended at first, because I have no desire to see Tarja on stage again.
  21. 3 points
    Yeah, she mainly just has to look for some words/expressions, and gets sometimes endings wrong, like min/mitt =different forms of my for example. Or order of words. Tense. She's really good. And all this in just a few years really? She's nearly as good as I am in English - well, maybe not quite, but she's getting there. At least with her daily speaking level, discussing something she knows. Part 2 - please ignore the spelling again or ask if it's confusing. Don't have much time. am just typing super fast while listening through. T: Okej , från Panthera till en liten jingel, det var pantera – walk, det var också en av låtarna som tog mig in i hårdrocken egentligen asså, den lite hårdare stilen av hårdrock. (ok, from Pantera to a short jingle, that was Pantera – walk, it was also one of the songs that brought me into hardrock really, I mean the slightly harder style of hard rock) F: Ja I see. T: Men du, du har ju bott i, du är född i Holland, (but you, you've lived in, were born in Holland) F: Ja T: Du har bott i Finland (you've lived in finland) F För ett år (for a year) T:Och sen träffade du Hannes (and then you met annes) F: Ja T Och så flyttade ni till Sverige. (and you two moved to sweden) F Precis (just so) T Hur är det att vara så - jag tänkte säga fucked up, men jag menar asså spridd i hela världen och att man är (what it's like to be so... I was gonna say fucked up, but I mean, spread all over the world, and that you are...) F Ja det är väl inte som jag hade planerat, jag planerade inte så hemskt mycket. Jag började sjunga i Nightwish helt plötsligt, okej, ja nu sjunger jag i ett band som kommer från Finland. De pratar finskt och jag förstår ingenting. Så jag är nyfiken och jag ska lära mig att prata finska (yeah I guess it wasn't as I had planned, I didn't plan very much. I started singing in Nightwish all of a sudden, like, ok, now I'm singing in a band from Finland. They speak finnish and I don't uderstand anything. So I'm curious and I'll learn to speak finnish...) T: Just det (right) F: finska språket är inte så lätt att lära sig (the finnish language is not so easy to learn) T: Nä, det är ett av världens svåraste språk tror jag (no it's one of the most difficult to learn languages of the world I think) F: Ja det är det. Så jag började och ett halvår senare pratade jag ingeting, förstår ingenting, och ett år senare – också inte. Så mycket. Så jag tänkte mig jag måste flytta till Finand, om jag ville lära mig finska språket r det kanske bra om jag. Och jag var redo, färdig i nederländerna. Jag vet inte varför, men jag var uppe i finland några gånger och det var så väldigt vackert överallt och jag, det känndes bra . Så ja, nu ska jag börja ett nytt äventyr i mitt liv, så jag flyttar. Så jag planerade allt och hade en turne kvar i Amerika med min gamla band ReVamp, och det var med Sabaton och Iced Earth (yes it is. So i started and half a year later i still didn't speak anything, don't understand anything, and a year later – still not. That much. So I thought, I have to move to Finland if I wanted to learn finnish, perhaps It's good if I … and I was ready, done in the Netherlads. I don'tknow why, bt I was up in finland a few times and it was so very beautiful everywhere and I, it felt good. So yeah, now I'm starting a new adventure in my life, so I'm moving. So I planned everything and had a tour left in the USA with my old band Revamp, and t was with Sabaton and Iced Earth. ) T: alright, just det, så var det. Det hade jag glömt av. Men det stämmer, just det. (alrght, right, that's how it was. I'd forgotten. But that's correct, yeah) F: så träffade jag Hannes. Som kommer från sverige. Inte från finland. Perfekt. (then I met Hannes. Who's from sweden. Not from finland. Perfect) T: why make it simple FPrecis, Jag bodde ju i finland. Men pratade fortfarande inget finska. För, ja vi pratar engelska med varandra, pratade i alla fall, ja. Så det var lite så som det. Men efter några månader där ihop var det som ja men vi bodde i Joensuu och där är långt borta från allt, (exactly. I lived in finland. But still spoke no finnish. Because yes we speak english with each other, spoke at least. so yeah it was a bit like that. But after a few months there together it was like, yeah, we lived in Joensuu and It's far away from everything) T: Mitt ute i ingengstans. (in the middle of nowhere) F. Ja. Väldigt vacker, och vi båda gillade väldigt mycket att bo där, men det var dags att kanske välja nederländerna eller sverige. Och nä jag älskar att vara här, uppe i Norden, altså the northern parts of the world, so vi flyttade till... (yes, very beautiful, and we both really liked living there, but it was time to maybe chose the Netherlands of Sweden. And no I like being up here, up in the north, I mean the northern parts of the world, so we moved to...) T: Tycker du att sverige och holland är likt? (do you find sweden and Holland alike?) F: ja och nej. Språket ibland, (yes and no, the language sometimes) T: Ja språket ibland, absolut (yes the language sometimes absloutely) F: We all like rules a lot. We drive cars really differently. T:In what way. Fthe dutch drive a little bit more agressive. Really much more. But then again, we have 17 million peoplecramped up in an area smaller than Dalarna. so it.s like driving downtown gothenburg, but then people downtown gothenburg don't really drive like the dutch do still, so it'slike, man, I need to get ised to this driving style ,but it's – lugnt och fint och säkert . men lite långsamt kanske ( -||- but it's – calm and nice and safe. but a bit slow perhaps) T: that's the swedish way, you know everything in it's order F: yeah, but that is dutch too. Really really is. T: Orderly F: Orderly and we want to arrange everything in .. and we're very social and very elcoming to everybody from every where in the world, which I think is really really good. TYeah, absolutely , and the same here, people talk about lack of space, we have so much space in sweden It's ridiculous F: it's ridiculous, thereäs plenty yeah T: only if yo compare to holland you would would understand that, youk know. so yeah F: actually yes. When you drive from the north to the south in the netherlands it takes you about four hours, and then you're already in Belgium. T: that's really ridiculous yeah. F: so there's a differce as well T: that's a difference... So what do you miss the most, I giess I know the answer, but what do you miss the most with being away from music right now? F: combination of the people I work with , it's such a nice family that I have to miss now T: Of course F: and the chemistry that you have when you're aout on the road. And the shows itself. I love singing live and being out on stage and … the traveling maybe not persea so much, but I... T: Me and Hannes talked about that las week as well, and we reminded ourselves that ey, now we're sitting here and complaining, but yes the travel is a bitch really sometimes F: actually sometimes it really really really is so... it's a massive energy vampire, bot to be underestimated or you kow, made look nicer than it actually is, it's but then again, everything every job comes with it's downsides T: absolutely F: but I must say that despite the full timeness of me doing this and … I will never see it as a job job. It's a fantastic lyxury to be able to do , so that I miss. Or small things, like after the show when we do tour in a bus, when the work is done and the showers taken, and in my care atll the makeup is off, and comfy wear is back on, to drink a glass of wine, and just talk, usually bullshit actually, but just talk for a bit and drink a glass of wine, those are THE moents I'm looking forward to have again. t: And listen to music we do a lot in Evergrey for instance, do you do that on the bus or is it just silence F: it's not that much music I must admit. We talk about it, but... Iknow in the Sabaton bus it also happens, and super nice to just go through a whole playlist and hours just fly by you find yourself five oclock in the morning listening to... T: in a totally different city F: yeah, that too T: and on that note, nu ska vi lyssna på Soilwork som du har, oackså varit med på deras live skiva va (and on that note, now we'll listen to Soilwork which you have also been a part of their live record right) F: ja har jag gjort. It was an honor, I love Soilwork, so (yes I have done, it was an honor, I love Soilwork so) T: Awesome band. Soilwork and As we speak Soilwork – As we speak
  22. 3 points
    Tuomas is a grown adult of 40 years and more who has been participating in side projects (and making questionable decisions in his career) since long before Troy got involved with the band. I don't think Troy put a gun to his head and forced him to form Auri - since the third part of the trio is married to Tuomas and since the project is named after a book Tuomas has been vocal about loving, I wouldn't say it's entirely farfetched to imagine that Tuomas might actually be the/a driving force in this project. In the unlikely event that Tuomas decides that he is unable to juggle both Nightwish and a side project (I say unlikely because he's participated in other projects before), and Nightwish loses out, that's on him.
  23. 3 points
    I haven't listened to the album, but I believe you have just described Hell, or at least a circle thereof.
  24. 3 points
    Yeah, I'm gonna come off as the bitter one, as always. But so far, the three songs are..well , the same. Verse-chorus-verse-bridge structure and uplifting. There's not much variety. They sound almost the same to me. They're nice and all, but I don't find what makes them so great. Someone said they were better than Elan, but for me, at least Elan has a catchy folky riff.These songs are just Amaranth after Amaranth. Perhaps I should wait for the whole album.
  25. 3 points
    wow what? Whoever brings the night is one of the best NW songs on DPP, c'mon man
  26. 3 points
    I 've just listened to both released songs and I am totally shocked. This sounds truly interesting (the self track is better for me though) compared to EFMB. I have never liked Anette in Nightwish for many reasons and to be honest I never expected such a comeback after Shine or such an upscale work. On the other hand, Nightwish got the best female metal vocalist out there (IMO always) and gave her ......Elan to sing! Hell yes, I prefer this to Elan 10,000 times more and you can bash me as much as you like.
  27. 3 points
    While each one is free to have their own opinnions and wishes, sometimes I think if you're expecting something, you might end up dissappointed. That's why I won't share an ideal setlist. I think I'll be fine with whatever they choose to play. That and.uhh...Sleepless? Didn't you mean Sleepwalker?
  28. 3 points
    @Serious Sam and others Stargazer_Voyager has understood correctly the meaning of the verse which describes the birth of our solar system. I did not find scientific errors in Tuomas Holopainen´s lyrics for the song The Greatest Show on Earth, nor do I have anything to complain about the poetic side of the lyrics. Quite the opposite, this is a great song both as a composition and lyric-wise. I love The Greatest Show on Earth to bits even if it is an apocalyptic and grim song. This is one of the easiest Nightwish songs to interpret, because it tells a story based on many scientific facts. Part 1: Four Point Six /Archaean horizon/The first sunrise/On a pristine Gaea/Opus perfectum/Somewhere, us sleeping/ The subtitle comes from the age of the earth which is 4.6 billion years old. The archaean eon was from 4 to 2.5 billion years ago, and at that time the crust of the earth had formed but it was much hotter than nowadays. The word “pristine” also means “primitive”, and Gaea = Gaia = Earth can be described to be primitive during its second-earliest phase of development. Part 2: Life /The cosmic law of gravity/Pulled the newborns around a fire/A careless cold infinity in every vast direction/Lonely farer in the Goldilocks zone/She has a tale to tell/From the stellar nursery into a carbon feast/Enter LUCA/ The first four lines describe the development of our solar system, where the gravity of the sun keeps the planets on their orbits. The sun is the “fire” that pulled the newborn planets to orbit around itself. “A careless cold infinity in every vast direction” describes the space. The earth is the lonely farer in the Goldilocks zone. The phrase “Goldilocks zone” is commonly used to describe the conditions of the earth, not too hot, not too cold, suitable to sustain life. “She” refers to Earth and “carbon feast” to our carbon-based life forms. LUCA is the last universal common ancestor, i.e., the common ancestor of all the organisms living to-day, and was a tiny, primitive organism. /The tapestry of chemistry/There is a writing in the garden/Leading us to the Mother of all/ Writing refers to the genetic code, where DNA and RNA are transcribed to proteins. We humans still share some of our genes with LUCA, the Mother of all. /We are one/We are a universe/Forebears of what will be/Scions of the Devonian sea/Aeons pass/Writing the tale of us all/A day-to-day opening/For the greatest show on Earth/ “We are one” is the theme Tuomas Holopainen mentions repeatedly in the interviews. Reading Richard Dawkins´s books and especially The Ancestor´s Tale has been a fundamental experience to him. He has learned how all living things, whether they are humans, lettuce or pine tree, are genetically related and share a common ancestor. Tuomas Holopainen has said in many interviews that understanding the oneness of all the living things has made him feel humble. “The greatest show on Earth” refers to evolution. /Ion channels welcoming the outside world/To the stuff of stars/Bedding the tree of a biological holy/Enter life/ "Ion channels" probably refer to the development of more complex organisms capable of reacting to the outside world. "The stuff of stars" refers to a quote by Carl Sagan where he says : Tne nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We were made of starstuff." Without the material from stars planets would contain only helium and hydrogen. "The tree of a biological holy" means the tree of evolutionary, phylogenetic life. The word "holy" is used as a noun and means a sacred place or a sanctuary. /We are here to take care of the garden/The wonder of birth/Of every form most beautiful/ My interpretation is that we should protect and take care of the environment, the nature, our planet Earth. Part 3: The Toolmaker /After a billion years the show is still here/Not a single one of your fathers died young/The handy travelers/Out of Africa/Little Lucy of the Afar/ "After a billion years the show is still here" means the evolution continues. The word "young" has a definite meaning. Our fathers include, among others, hominids and other Homo species than sapiens. Our fathers who are direct ancestors to us could not die young because they had to reach sexual maturity to have descendants. All humans originate from Africa. “Little Lucy of the Afar” belongs to the genus Australopithecus, and they might (or might not) have been ancestors to the genus Homo. /Gave birth to fantasy/To idolatry/To self-destructive weaponry/Enter the god of gaps/Deep within the past/Atavistic dread of the hunted/ I have recently read books by Professor David Lewis-Williams. This world-famous South-African archeologist has investigated the cave art of our stone-age ancestors and has presented convincing evidence that a considerable part of the cave paintings were made by shamans in altered state of consciousness. Already some 45 000 – 35 000 years ago the biological and mental constitution of our ancestors was very similar to ours and they started to make art. However, they lacked scientific knowledge and explained many natural things by spirits. These cave men certainly had fantasy = imagination and they also had religion. Shamans were the first priests, and they were also healers. Self-destructive is not a synonym to mass-destructive, and I understand self-destructive weaponry as any weapons, e.g. wooden clubs and stone axes with which it was easier to kill other humans than with bare hands. Our ancestors were probably no less aggressive than the modern man, and casualties to both parties were likely common from fights and wars. /Enter Ionia, the cradle of thought/The architecture of understanding/The human lust to feel so exceptional/To rule the Earth/ Ionians were ancient Greeks and they made achievements in the fields of culture and science. There were also many wars between the Greeks themselves and between the Greeks and other nations. /Hunger for shiny rocks/For giant mushroom clouds/The will to do just as you´d be done by/Enter history, the grand finale/Enter Ratkind/ My interpretation is that “shiny rocks“ mean ores from which bronze and later iron and steel weapons were made. There have been numerous giant mushroom clouds: the nuclear experiments and one atom bomb to Hiroshima and the other to Nagasaki. “Enter Ratkind” refers to the post-human rodent world after the mankind has destroyed itself by nuclear weapons. /Man, he took his time in the sun/Had a dream to understand/A single grain of sand/He gave birth to poetry/But one day ´ll cease to be/Greet the last light of the library/ Our species lived its time on earth and then went extinct. Man wanted to understand everything (“a single grain of sand”). Man made cultural achievements like poetry, but the time of human civilization came to its end, the lights of the library went off. /We were here!/We were here!/We were here!/ We were here!/ This is the interactive part of the song “The Greatest Show on Earth”, and meant to be sung together. We, the audience, were here, at a specific venue, place and time. I attended the Joensuu show and will remember the spellbound atmosphere of The Greatest Show on Earth to the end of my life.
  29. 3 points
    Sorry to dig up such an old thread, but there's something I wanted to share. Last time when I was watching the movie, I got curious if it was possible to read the lyrics on the pages from the safe, so I took some screenshots and looked through them. Well, obviously, most of those lyrics turned out to be the songs from Imaginaerum, but then there also were parts of some other songs and the parts that don't belong to any, and I ended up writing a huge post with screenshots and commentary. I hope it's alright for me to share the link and not to copy it all here (but I can do that if necessary): Lyrics in the movie UPD. Added two more songs and some small notes here and there
  30. 2 points
    Day 893: People have started to suspect. Abort mission.
  31. 2 points
    @suomi usa: I cannot answer the question about the percentage of 100% in the DNA ethnicity test but I can tell you something. My interpretation of your test result showing Finland/Northwest Russia ethnicity is that a long time ago your ancestors settled in eastern Finland. After the last ice age, around 10 500 years ago, people started to move to the area which is nowadays Finland. They moved over a very long time, and groups moving at a time were small. People from east, south-east, south and southwest moved to Finland´s area. The land was more wilderness in the eastern part than in the southern and south-western parts, and it must have contributed to the fact that an isolate of population was formed in eastern Finland. Eastern Finland was also less favorable for agriculture, and this in turn was a contributory factor for famines. Famines, also wars and deadly epidemics, are bottle necks which kill a large proportion of the population. Genes which would otherwise be rare, then get a chance to enrich in the descendants of the survivors. Isolate position and bottle necks led to the fact that Finns living in eastern and western parts of the country were and still are quite different genetically, and this difference is bigger than that between e.g. Englishmen and Germans. In fact, Finns from western and southern parts of the country are genetically nearer to Swedes and Estonians than they are with other Finns from eastern Finland. The eastern Finnish genome is unique in Europe and in the world and has been classified as its own group in large, international genetic studies. To celebrate Finland´s 100th anniversary of independence a special stamp has been has released. It shows the eastern-western distribution of our genomes. http://www.helsinki.fi/~mjxpirin/stamp/stamp.html
  32. 2 points
    Ok, back to 2017, the whole point is that whatever mistakes happened in the past could be at least ammended for artistic reasons. Their personal relationship is damaged with no return, there's zero doubt about it, but I think that with a little of good will, both parties could strike an artistic deal to honor the great artistic time they had together and pay tribute to it for one time. What makes me very optimistic is Tarja's relationship with Floor. Anette would have FUMED if the guys told her Tarja was going to appear in a concert or whatever. She'd probably quit right there hahaha. Meanwhile, Floor is her friend, and truth to be told, probably her technical superior, so what really matters in this situation, the artistic merit of having Tarja + Nightwish (With Floor) is there. The guys wouldn't be afraid of having an internal drama because of it. In fact, Floor would help ease up the communication a bit. This is the right time, honestly. BTW, if it was a concert, they could rise up the ticket prices x3 and it would still be sold out, and the DVD would easily be the best selling NW (And Tarja, of course)... thing, ever. It makes too much sense in a bussiness sense.
  33. 2 points
    Heh: that I know of if Tarja ever wrote songs about Nightwish she never really mounted an entire PR campaign on it, complete with book, open letter and whatnot. There's still the benefit of the doubt - you know, "sounds like it's talking about Nightwish but maybe it's about her cleaning lady". In fact, I can't possibly imagine where one would see Nightwish in the lyrics to Boy and the Ghost (as a side note: if Diva is about Nightwish, it's a few million times cleverer than the testosterone-fueled MPG). Irrespective of the intended meaning, it's indeed still kinda gross to listen to those and think about Nightwish. Anybody caught doing might want to take a few therapy sessions. Nightwish's cardinal sin, if you ask me, is doing everything in their power to make sure their fans were very well aware that MPG was about a real guy (Turunen's husband) - then the listener is faced with either participating in the hate or skip the song. There's plenty of other hate tracks around, really, but even when their nature is explicit (and with e.g. R.E.M. it rarely is until Stipe explains the meaning 20 years later), you can still put paint the face of someone you dislike in. I can imagine being in the same room with Lilja for more than 15 minutes, so this makes sense to me. But please tell me more and/or link to a roundup.
  34. 2 points
    Especially since there's no reason she wouldn't love Swanheart and Walking In The Air.
  35. 2 points
    Tarja told them that she quits the group after this tour. They just wanted to play "First!" by firing her before her resignation.
  36. 2 points
    I can only agree with Stefan2k4 and Baki with everything they said. Also a cornered animal strikes back the moment its cornered. It doesnt wait 8 months to strike back. This whole "poor men" drama show doesnt need to get into any protection, it was simply disgusting and thats all about it. But i guessed they've milked enough cash out of the cow just as planned, and its about 12 years ago so who cares. Lets enjoy the music both are doing or ignore the one you cant Listen to anymore for whatever reason
  37. 2 points
    For me the open letter always felt like a desperate (or calculated, who knows) attemp to prevent (most) fans from abandoning the band the day Tarja part ways with the guys. By giving the impression that Tarja was in the band for all the wrong reasons (money, fame ,etc.) , fans started turning against her and it also made it easier for them to accept the new singer, for she would be the "chosen one" and only have a noble cause.
  38. 2 points
    Hi All. So I just came across this band, Nachtmuse from Toronto. They have a 2 song Name Your Own Price demo. There are 2 female singers, one of which is a soprano. Check them out in this review we did for them. https://noisebeneaththesnow.com/2017/10/12/nachtmuse-2017-demo-review-power-metalhard-rock/
  39. 2 points
    "While he is a very important part of the band, he is not..." *thunderclap* *horses neighing* " ...Tuomas." Fixed that for you.
  40. 2 points
    I love the dissing tracks from both sides, I Walk Alone was pure ether, and don't get me started on Diva, which was last year I think? It's the gift that keeps on giving. They're just so over the top that you can take it as an act. Now, if we go by the hypothesis that Yours is an empty hope is a diss track too, that's one I don't like, it hits too close to home, like, it's not over the top enough to not be a real "screw you". But give me more Master Passion Greeds all the time, it's so deliciously juvenile, it reads like the rude poem you write for that guy Chad for stealing your crush in 8th grade.
  41. 2 points
    Sorry, what's with Mozart? Generally speaking, I am not a doctor, but to be honest, I suspect that if you can enjoy a dissing track knowing that it's a dissing track and it's not directed at Hitler or some other mythical figure but a real guy/girl, and the song was accompained by a massive PR campaign against the guy... you might be a sociopath. On the other hand, I'm reasonably sure if you enjoy MPG you just like terrible music
  42. 2 points
    You don't have to be academically taught to know things about music, there are plenty of respectable composers and singers who are self taught and if they manage to write/sing music without a formal education, I'm pretty sure we can discuss about range, complexity and instruments without providing a phd in music. @Ahasverus If Troy is responsible for all those things, then count me as an even bigger fan. Music: he brought a fresh spirit and breathed life into the band. The EFMB tour is the liveliest and most fun tour Nw has ever had and a lot of it is due to Troy's musical contributions. They have a bigger folk touch now, but they are still primarily symphonic/power/whatever they were before, they're just less emo and more... enjoying life. I suppose Floor and the lack of drama are a part of that as well, but it seems that Troy is the biggest part. Science: I think he was just someone Tuomas successfully bounced ideas on and maybe was encouraged by. The interest was clearly there, Troy probably just supported him in expressing it. Anette: I sincerely doubt the new guy who wasn't even part of the band had a huge say in who stays and who goes. His less tactful public comments probably boil down to the fact that he didn't experience the type of backlash the rest of the guys did with Tarja, so he hasn't yet learned to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself. The rest of the guys know the drill and had already been pegged as the "bad guys who make lead singers cry" and were probably more motivated to treat things as gently as possible. Troy had no incentive for that. Auri: I didn't know it's going to be a folk project and Troy will be there, finding that out makes me extremely interested in it, which is something I wasn't back when I thought it's just Tuomas and Johanna. I think you're overreacting in regards to Troy
  43. 2 points
    I mean, on the last page we had various people stating that WBTN was great, was the worst DPP song and was pretty average, so I'm not sure that it was the best song to pick as an example of everyone having the same opinion? You can add me to the pro-Nympho group, by the by, it's a very enjoyable song. Not the best lyrics, but I say that about a lot of Nightwish songs and still enjoy them. It's probably one of the songs from AFF I listen to most often. I think a big part of why that song in particular gets dismissed is that Tuomas himself talked about being embarassed by it, specifically the "The scent of a woman was not mine" opening line, on "End of Innocence".
  44. 2 points
    Amaranth >>> Elan so... In all seriousness, I don't see the similarities, at all. Have you heard Amaranth recently? hahaha.
  45. 2 points
    That excerpt describes Endless Forms perfectly to me haha. I think they're a different kind of disjointed. DPP has tracks that don't mesh well with each other, but are cohesive on themselves. In EFMB all songs sound more or less well with each other, but they're a mess inside themselves, with no complete ideas fully realized. Not to mention the actual offensive lyrics. If NW sings another secular treaty next time I'm out. I'd rather have uber sentimental Tuomas forever than that patronizing stuff. Yeah yeah, the self insertion in The`Poet is a bit cheesy, but damn me if that song doesn't reach a great climax just before the tear fest that is mother and Father. Can't hate on that.
  46. 2 points
    It's the Nightwish album that I prefer to forget it ever existed. It's very disjointed and all over the place (The poet being the main exhibit for this), there are too many irritating repetitive tracks (Amaranthe, WBTH, BBB), too many fillers (Cadence, Eva, LOTW) and too much tackiness (or lack of class) disguised as self-expression (BBB and MPG). Anette shrieks too much and is in over her head with a few of the tracks (it's clear no one ever thought whether she would be able to sing those songs, it's a sky high difference between her vocal performance on DPP and on Imaginaerum). Meadows and 7DTTW are decent compared to the rest of the album, but weak compared to the rest of their tracks. But the worst thing is that it's an album that to me lacks soul, passion and charisma. It's just... there and I'm glad they quickly moved on from this direction and produced Imaginaerum that is 10 classes over it. The one notable exception to all this is The islander, which is just lovely.
  47. 2 points
    I was at the concert. Sunday evening. It was brilliant. So many talented singers. Awesome show. Marco, Hansi, Maggy, Floor...Anekke....Tommy...Michael ...John... i mean...Worthed all the money and trip to see that spectacle.
  48. 2 points
    Maybe she thought she would reverse the game. Like: “Hmmm, everybody thinks that I will do something Xmas related, and I will, so I will promote it with the teaser “expect the unexpected”. This way everyone will think I will do something different from Xmas stuff, and when I announce (another) Xmas album nobody would expect it because they were waiting for something else! This is genius!” *calls Marcello*
  49. 2 points
    I confess that I'd replace any EFMB song with Sagan... Except Eyes of Sharbat Gula (yeah, believe it or not, it's my favourite from that album XD) and maybe Alpenglow.
  50. 2 points
    Why on Earth would being an atheist prevent one from using religious metaphors in a song or literature piece? Should all atheists be prohibited from saying "For god's sake" or "goddamn"? These same religions have been borrowing rites and myths from each other and from other cults, and nobody prohibited them to do so, so I don't see a reason why an atheist song-writer could not use the word "Golgotha" as the metaphor for huge suffering, or "angel" as the metaphor for a beautiful woman, or "Judas" for a traitor etc.
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