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  1. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    While I agree with the sentiment of this I think you're too hard on them. They are actually quite accomplished musicians. And I'm sure you'll guess who I think may literally fit you listed high standards. The people on the couch at BZ didn't have stunned expressions just for the camera. They knew what kind of musician they were watching. Even one pro, opera trained and doing a role that may have largely defined his career, looked at one point to be at real risk of forgetting to come in. But he was standing mere inches away and watching that happening. Poor, lucky man! And if she shows that kind of sass in the tour my brain will melt. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, they can replace it with a basic synthetic model - no one will be able to tell the difference!
  2. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    So, like, they read this forum?! Oh, right then, guys... I, er, meant everything I said. I guess... I mean, even about Floor (blushing)
  3. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    As these are internet discussions they are prone to going off the rails. The good thing is it shows these topics matter to people, as they should. Back to NW it occurred to me that the Ayreon albums may have taken on similar issues. A dying world, conflicted purposes, the will to survive etc. And these topics considered in an allegorical fashion. This was good enough for the bible, good enough for Voltaire. You can get all poetical about complex topics with people going as deep or shallow as they want. And you can call people out, even ridicule them without getting your own head chopped off! Brilliant! So curious what approach NW will take.
  4. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    There is plenty of territory to explore without getting deliberately political. At least both Tuomas and Floor are very pro-nature and enjoy natural spaces. So do I. But most of us live in cities, and the unescapable logic is that a local concentration of services is the optimal way to deal with a growing urban population - so we should densify. How do we feel about that? How do we reconcile it with our pastoral impulses (yes, also recognizing that some people are not like this and are even terrified to walk through an urban park with significant tree cover). Evidence strongly suggests the Earth is warming - and at this point I think if you're older than say 30 and still don't believe this from your own anectotal experiences then maybe you really do need to get outside more often. To me the evidence of this being mostly due to industrial processes is also inescapable. But if anyone insists it's just natural cycles, still - do we try to do something about it? Traditional received religion has been criticized for suggesting the rewards are in the next world and all the rest is up to God. So if our climate is making the Earth unsurvivable, do we accept this is God's will and pray for salvation while our species goes extinct (dragging many others along with it)? These are big questions that can be explored emotionally without explicitly pointing fingers. They are questions about the human condition and our place in nature and possibly among the heavens. I think you could both get some amazing material from these topics and also deliver something people would be blown away by - would want to participate in and revisit again and again.
  5. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    We can resolve this by consensus-based committee resolution! The Earth is clearly a cube.
  6. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    No new material from Floor today? Mijn lijden... We'll have to learn to cope.
  7. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    A bit splitting hairs here. Music imo is best at evoking emotions. When I think of an intellectual response to music I'm thinking on the technical side - like some crazy complex jazz progression or weird microtonal modern composition. Although I respect that it's not at all why I'm deeply into music! Lyrics can evoke emotion and also thought. The hair splitting is for two reasons: you can say something dumb backed by powerful emotions from the music and get (some) people to believe dumb things (for a time). Also my feeling is Tuomas is quite a bit stronger on the music side than the lyrics side? So at least you can say, "this is a problem" without getting too clever and then move people to passion about the topic with the killer musical setting of those lyrics. For me if you're trying to educate and not just raise awareness you'd better have your stuff sorted! I think this is harder to do effectively.
  8. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    Wouldn't the timing be wrong? Maybe she was known earlier in Europe (likely) but in N. America it seems to me she broke onto the scene so to speak no earlier than the summer? All the material was done before that. I'll love a Victorian and especially a stream punk theme (What period is it? Edwardian? Elizabethan?). So much territory to explore there, thematically, musically and of course the visuals. I'm drooling already.
  9. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    Haven't heard of this guy before but he gives a really interesting breakdown of Floor and Henk's Phantom. Interesting how he pulls the pitches out of the air seemingly in real time. You can learn this somewhat with effort or maybe he's one of those prefect pitch types (check out Rick Beato's vid on this featuring his son naming complex chords at a single hearing. Pretty freaky).
  10. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    Really?! Ask him! [edit] They say if you need to explain a joke then it's not funny. Sigh. Can't resist this last attempt: [Finnish interviewer] Mr. Holopainan, in the run up to the highly anticipated release of the new Nightwish album some people have noted that you don't seem to be able to stop smiling. Should we be concerned? Is there something wrong with your face? [Tuomas, deadpan] My mother always told me I should smile for photographs.
  11. Figment-of-me

    The Upcoming Nightwish Album

    They're all giving attitude but just noticed Tuomas seems to have the hint of a smile...
  12. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    With most people you can say they're like this or they're like that. I'm learning to accept that with Floor you say, "here are a set of ways that may or may not be like her". And then you're largely wrong. Someone, friends, bandmates, family must be able to say, "I know her". I'll say she is a confusing, overwhelming, wondrous creature. Not that I won't still try to understand - but actually it's really plenty enough already.
  13. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    [What am I even taking about in this post? A bunch of BS it seems.] So I've come to doubt my impression. She starts off with a rock placement with little growls and lots of emotion. Henk starts operatic. Then they switch. He brings in distortion and she goes more pure opera. So maybe artistic choice after all. And in the Joachim version she's actually more operatic throughout. What I heard was there is more emotion in the earlier part and less at the ending (Floor's part) which seems counter intuitive. The opposite of what the story is building towards. The ending is very clean. No distortion or effects, no sliding into or out of notes except maybe a flick at the very end. So why? Because she wants to make the point that she can do pure opera and can hit and sustain those notes without trouble. Decisively. Maybe it does have that effect but that may have nothing to do with the intentions behind it. I'll shut up now.
  14. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    wrt the ending of Phantom, this has been bugging me. To the extent I understand Floor, what she does on stage will be deliberate, carefully considered. So why the ending this way? Hard to think it was an artistic choice. So something else. But what? I also don't think it's her style at all to be showing off - but maybe to send a message. Or to get ahead of critics who might say, "it's a trick of post production", or "OK but it almost killed her to do it!" No. There's no doubt she can do this. Consistently, reliably. Maybe even easily. Would she want to send that message? It's a small puzzle to me.
  15. Figment-of-me

    The Floor thread

    Have seen the performances but waiting for Denise to see the full show. I'm also going to miss this show! They all had a great time and no matter what people think about the varied level of talent I do think everyone grew as musicians from this experience. It's like a master class but where they learn from each other (instead of from a master standing apart from the performers). Not surprised Henk did this well. I mean, this is his career guys! The two of them do work very well together. Floor does make him look like a little guy, which I don't think is true - but all proportion is destroyed across many dimensions when Floor is involved! But he brings a gravitas and we see them working together to make it believable. I love that he cups her head in gesture and here he's reaching up. But later she bends down a bit and there's eye-to-eye, the battle of wills. Then in the end she's at full height but there is some separation as he's demanding, sing for me! Loved it! One constructive criticism: Floor has done this ending with more abandon in the past. She kills it, don't get me wrong, but it's too straight. I mean, it shows this probably isn't even hard for her! But it should seem hard - this is the final surrender to the Phantom's power. A small thing and yeah they're not in character the whole time. They're enjoying the moment as friends too!