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  1. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Contacting the Mods

    Well, I'd like to point out en passant that I don't consider myself in any way responsible for the brouhaha that followed (I'd like to point my finger to the guy who hijacked the whole thread). On the other hand, while I non-ironically applaud you for taking the public opinion into account instead of acting as autocrats, I am actuely sorry to learn that something as banal as that one sentence offended more than one member enough that reports with an s came in. If I remember correctly the full sentence was something like the following: "How do I put it? Xxxxx struck me as kind of a yyyyy right from the beginning". I would be very sorry if this turned out to be a sign of the extreme anti-male and SJW trends of Twitter and the like seeping in on this board. I have a very strong suspicion that the reports were similar in content to the reply that came on that thread -- in other words, that the problem was not the single word (we have an endless supply of swear words on this forum) but the fact that I was attacking a woman. I've already been called a sexist, misogynist pig and whatnot when I criticized Floor Jansen's statements about Slayer, when I expressed my dislike of tattoos and my words have been twisted in every possible way; my musical taste apparently amounts to "toxic masculinity" for one board member. I've gladly tolerated that in the past without complaining, rolling my eyes silently - because I didn't know it was systematic. I thought it was just one slightly obsessed guy - name starting with A - and one lady - name starting with E - both of whom I otherwise greatly enjoy to read. I appreciate that we all come from different cultures and parts of the world with different levels of sensitivity. I know that, for example, more progressive countries from Northern Europe have different standards that the country that spawned Silvio Berlusconi. However, I can't get on board with this as pure a matter of principle. I can't live with the idea that if I am not extra careful in wording my opinion about a woman the SJW police will get extra offended and report me behind my back, resulting in one permanent warning without even a word of warning first (I have had one for a completely different offense, i.e. I pasted a link to a full concert by mistake). That's a given. After careful consideration, I have resolved that I will voluntarily stop my participation in this forum... until that warning point (which I'm contesting) expires, that is, forever, except perhaps for private messages and one-off incursions in case Nightwish plays a date in my backyard or something. I'm not ragequitting the forum, as the kids these days like to say. This comes at a great cost to me, since I like reading this board and I have grown to consider some of the regulars as almost my friends. However, I feel the need to take a stand. This is my little, stupid way of protesting and saying that a guy ought to be able to say that "Mary seems kind of a bitch" with the same ease he says "John comes off as a bit of a dick". My way of claiming my right to say "ugh, tattoos are gross" without being lectured on Women And Their Bodies. Nothing personal against anyone, especially the mods or A. or E. See this as a protest against the general trend. See you around, everybody \m/
  2. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Contacting the Mods

    Dear Mods, only now I noticed that I've been given one non-expiring warning point because I said I was "under the impression that [a former band member] was kind of a bitch". I'd please like to either ask clarification or complain about it - I'm not quite sure yet, I'll explain. To the best of my knowledge, "kind of a bitch" is the almost 1:1 female equivalent to "a bit of a dick", which is vernacular but acceptable-for-US-television English for "unpleasant, nasty, mean person". The latter expression has been used in the past on the forum without any repercussions in reference to real people and band members. For example we have "[... ] it's of course possible she still hates Tuomas for having being, well, a dick [...]" in this post: We also have the collective, unisex "[...] guys proved to be assholes with Tarja [...] " from this post: I'd please like to know: from native speakers, whether "being kind of a bitch" is considered significantly more vulgar in English than "being assholes" or "being a bit of dick". if the above is false, whether female individuals and/or Swedes and/or former band members are accorded more protection against verbal criticism. Please understand that these - especially the latter - are actual questions. I can completely see why the forum administrators would particularly want to avoid being sued from a former band member, especially one with a history of litigation; I can also understand how in some cultures less than appreciative comments toward women might be considered somewhat "more" taboo than those directed towards men. I do believe that setting clear rules and having a meaningful precedent is in everybody's interest. However, if and only if neither of the above is true: while I accept the authority of the Mods I would like to extend a mild complaint, because the punishment doesn't seem warranted to me and I obviously couldn't possibly know beforehand that such a comment would invite a disciplinary action. Especially when I know for a fact that I committed far more heinous crimes on this forum Happy Easter!
  3. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Contacting the Mods

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  4. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

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    Happy Easter!
  5. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Contacting the Mods

    Happy Easter! Is my computer glitching or have we gone with Prince purple for real?
  6. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Tarja Turunen pt. III

    Obligatory GG Allin video.
  7. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Decades World Tour 2018

    I also like the Floor.
  8. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    Decades World Tour 2018

    Or if it turned out that they were actually in Spanish with a thick Argentinean accent.
  9. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    Not really (in Italy I have heard the term Fantaghiro-metal, Fantaghiro being an extremely cheesy TV movie about a princess and an evil wizard). But... well, I figure Within Temptation to be more popular with the female demographic. I am afraid that does not seem like an entirely incorrect definition to me, although you might object to the word "chick" instead of "women" or "female people". Certainly Within Temptation don't cater to blue collar young men like early NWOBHM did, and they do embrace more romantic, touchy-feely topics, and Den Adel stage persona is very traditionally feminine. That is really not trivial at all. Headbanging comes with a whole cultural baggage - to name one, social and class identity, although yeah, I concede that it has been diluted enough over the years for the issue to be irrelevant to Nightwish specifically. But in other venues considering it irrelevant could be a costly mistake. Because movies have rarely been the chief vehicle of expression of a youth subculture. But let us leave the cultural aspect aside. For what it's worth, I disagree that whether a band belongs to a popular music genre or not is purely a product of their music, since rock music is strongly visual. Tell you what - forget about that too. Let us just consider for a moment whether Nightwish sounds like metal or not. That's also not completely trivial until you fix what is "metal", sound-wise - and how do you do it? Well, you have the musicological approach (do riffs have to be in 8th notes with a pedal or not?) or the linguist's approach: how many people are willing to call "Nightwish" a metal band? I have a hunch that there are less people ready to swear that Nightwish is a metal band than people who are ready to swear that Slayer are a metal band, so I remain convinced that Nightwish are a lighter shade of grey than Slayer.
  10. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    Well, half of the forum argues that the band has stopped being a metal band in the Pleistocene and that "they don't even care" about metal (which I'd say is kind of a requirement to be a metal band). The other half is adamant that they're super metal. It's not so easy, actually - it depends on your definition of "metal" music. Say, is it a requirement that guitars and riffs are at the forefront? It also depends on whether you can be a "metal band" just because you sound in a certain way or whether there is a culture/community aspect (in which either you fit or don't fit). Furthermore, it depends on whether certain practices are "metal" or not -- are backing tapes allowed or does "metal" place enough importance on instrumental prowess or "authenticity" that they automatically disqualify your band from being "metal"? We're taliking about a culture that is in more than one way the offspring of 70s prog rock and 1977 punk. Does metal even exist anymore? It's a legit question to ask about a working class subculture that originally hailed from the industrial suburbs of England. Irrespective of whether some people are personally invested or care about this, the question of how you define metal music and the metal subculture is not trivial at all. As for me, I'd say Nightwish tends to swing back and forth. It gets very metal at times, within the limits of what metal can be in 2018. Other times... not so much. The broken fan base on this very forum is indicative of this. There are former metalheads that came to appreciate the band in the late 90s when it started making a name for itself in the European metal (yes, metal) scene through tape-swapping. There are guys who actively despise metal and probably learned about the band through the Internet. And then there are Swedes and Finns who apparently do get Nightwish on TV... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law And here we go again with the conspiracy theory about the Evil Sexist Metalheads. I've never heard anybody complain about Doro Pesch being a woman. Or Girlschool. You name it.
  11. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    Wouldn't call that exactly kvlt Wait, what drama. Please fill me in. Make up your mind, folks. Is Nightwish a metal band or not? (I'd say not, except for a week in 1998 when they were really drunk, and then again in 2002). Also, the answer could be "because it's still a world-touring outfit". I'd join any third-rate emo band without thinking twice if I got to play stadiums and cash in princely royalties
  12. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    Wait, America never particularly cared about NWOBHM and eurometal. Nightwish started to actually sell there when they ditched the Stratovarius influences and took a few cues from Evanescence and American bands with downtuned guitars. Firstly, I do not get what you problem is with "masculinity", why do you recurringly bring it up as if it were some kind of dirty word? I also really don't think heavy metal culture identifies itself with "masculinity", except perhaps in the mind of Joey DeMaio's mom. Secondly, I really don't see why do you have to throw "noise" in. I'd say the average Nightwish album is much more "noisy" than Side A of Iron Maiden's debut album or, say, British Steel.| I have a hunch you're just being dismissive for the sake of being dismissive, which doesn't help. Thirdly, quite literally the only semi-respectable, orthodox metal band among those you mentioned is Iron Maiden, with exactly one out of Pantera (with no h) or early Rhapsody almost making the cut depending on who you ask. No, it's not. It's a well-defined, actual "idea". Eh, I happen to care and I hold my opinion in very high regard. P.s.: Why did this abruptly turn into a discussion of whether metal is a thing or not? Until a minute ago the topic of the day was whether hiring Anette was a smart decision or not.
  13. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    I am. I actually have an original cassette of Joyride and Look Sharp somewhere (probably in the same box as my coveted vinyl promo copy of Spice Girls' debut album), and I played a few dates with a Roxette cover band once, but I take great pleasure in teasing the Colombian for it This guy does have a point. One could at least wonder whether Marco saw it before the other guys out of sheer wisdom or whether, having spent 20 years in relative obscurity before finally landing a steady income as a performer with Nightwish, he was more prone to be cynical of this newcomer propped to international stardom overnight and of her abilities to cope. Or both.
  14. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    I think Baki was being sarcastic. But I did hear through the grapevine that he has an argentinian assistant (and purported lover) tasked with braiding his beard.
  15. some_dude_on_the_interwebs

    The Old Era

    That too. On the other hand, Oceanborn was literally every metal cliche' from the 90s, including guitar and synth shredding from Dream Theater, drums from Stratovarius, cookie monster vocals, female vocals from Theatre of Tragedy... Everything. The only thing that was missing was Pantera guitars and the traces of doom metal that were present in Angels. And then came Century Child, which kicked the "metal" needle up a few notches again. I thought your poserness was established by now. Didn't you have a coming-out-as-poser party in which Ahasverus played Roxette with the volume on 11 and you all drank Pink Martinis while having a manicure? But well. For what it's worth, I think most popular music (including folk, metal, darkwave, punk and what not) is extremely uninteresting in the strictly musical sense, its raison d'etre being precisely it acting as a vessel for a subculture and as a buttress for one's identity. I mean, if I want Good Music with a capital M I'll go to a recital of baroque music or to a church with a really good organist. If I'm blasting a recording of some self-taught Finnish yokel playing riffs stolen from Judas Priest, I'm craving for something that Bach or any other God-tier composer can't give me. It's hardly surprising that people, especially young kids (or cranky old men who used to be kids), are defensive of the culture. I'd say healthy, even.